采访：Stella Zhang & 闲人捷
整理：Stella Zhang
翻译：闲人捷
为什么习练瑜伽
Q: Why should we practice yoga?
问：为什么要习练瑜伽？
A: Some students told me that they come to yoga to get good body so they can have a good husband.
答：有些学生告诉我她练习瑜伽是为了有个好身材，这样可以找个好老公。
And this is fine, yoga would probably give them a good body, I just don't know whether it would give them a good husband though.
这样也很好，练习瑜伽可能会有一个好身材，但是我不太确认瑜伽能给你带来一个好老公。
But along the way of getting a good body they will start to feel themselves maybe.
不过，通过身体的习练他们将会开始感知自己。
And maybe they will start to connect through the practice to their own heart and own spirit, start to look deeper to who they are and what they are doing.
也许他们开始通过习练连接心与灵，开始更深的关照他们是谁，又在做些什么。
This is what yoga is all about. It's a journey of discovering yourself.
这些就是关于瑜伽的一切：开始自我的发现之旅。
It's not a competition that I'm better than this person or worse.
人生不是一场我比他人更好或是更坏的赛场。
It's about you.
所有这一切只与你自己有关。
Everybody should come to the yoga class for themselves.
每一个人都应该为自己走入瑜伽教室。
It my get you connect to the separate part of you which is trying to push you to the right and positive direction.
这让你联结到自己的内心，并推动你走入正确的人生轨迹。
I think I am very lucky because when I went to this ashram, I connected with a lot of very good teachers who'd been teaching yoga for 30 or 40 years.
我想自己是非常幸运的，因为在修习营我遇到很多很优秀的老师，他们都有三四十年的瑜伽教学经验。
I was so lucky to have these people in my life at that time. Not just to find a yoga center but to find one that has so many teachers that were so wise and patient and kind.
我很幸运在此遇见他们。不光是在中心学习瑜伽，还有遇到那么多智慧、耐心和善良的老师。
They wanted to teach and help people. And I think that everything I try to do today comes from them.
他们愿意教授和帮助人们，我想我现在做得事情都得益于他们。
In my tradition, I have a Guru. Guru is your teacher but not there to solve your problem, he is there to inspire you to rise to your highest potential.
在这个传承里，我有一位上师。老师不是过来解决我的问题的，而是激发我最大的潜力。
Before you could help any other people or you could be useful to anyone else, you must learn to solve all of your own problems.
在你帮助别人或是成为有用的人之前，你必须学会解决自己的问题。
So that no matter what situation life brings to you, you can be content.
所以，无论生活如何变化，你要都能应对。
瑜伽：情绪控制
Q: Does yoga have anything to do with emotion control?
问：瑜伽能帮你控制情绪吗？
A: There is no point of being angry or sad which doesn't help anything. Everybody has positive feelings and emotions and negative ones.
答：愤怒和悲伤是毫无意义的，解决不了任何问题。每个人都有积极的情绪和消极的情绪。
I don't think you could stop these things. But you could learn to live with them.
我不认为你能够停止这些情绪，但是你可以学会和这些情绪相处。
And you can learn to not make them affect your life so strongly.
学习如何让情绪不要过度干扰到你的生活。
Some people they hold on to these feeling of anger or fear and their whole life become anger and fear.
一些人因为不愿放下恐惧或是愤怒，而让自己整个人生变得恐惧和愤怒。
It means all that they could give other people is anger and fear which is not a good way for anybody.
这意味着他们也会施加给别人愤怒和恐惧，这对谁都没有好处。
So I think yoga is about to understand there would be time to be happy and there would be time to be sad.
所以瑜伽就是让我们知道生活总是有喜有悲。
You need to find a way, among all of these things, to be content no matter what feeling or emotion it is that is within you.
你需要做到一种方式，无论发生什么，不管内心升起什么感受和情绪都要坦然面对。
So you can be sitting there and you can be angry but you can still smile.
所以你可以坐在那里很生气，可是依然会微笑。
It takes practice but the first thing you must come to understand is that this can happen.
做到这步肯定是需要练习的，但首先你要相信这些是可以做到的。
If you don't believe you can be positive in this way, you'll never be in this way.
如果你不信自己可以以这种方式做到积极，那么你永远也做不到。
It's like when I first demonstrated handstand in the class, I looked at all of the students and I could see everyone of them going "Why is he showing us this practice? I can never do this".
当我给刚学习的同学上头倒立时，我看着他们，他们脸上写着，为什么我要做这个，我永远也做不了这个。
But in 5 min, they have all done it even it's only for a second or two.
但是5分钟之后，他们做到了，哪怕只是维持1、2秒。
It is a really good example of showing our mind stops us from doing so many things because we do not believe.
这很好的展示了，我们以为做不到的事情，都是头脑告诉你的，
So everybody has a choice. And I think the time when we understand that we can all be in control of our life or we can have a positive effect on our life no matter whether we are successful or unsuccessful, rich or poor, we can still find contentment in purpose.
所以，我们每个人都可以选择。一旦我们明白我们可以掌控自己的生活，我们可以积极的过一生，无论成功与否，无论富裕与否，我们都应该知足。
But we have to come to that choice ourselves, to that understanding ourselves.
但是那必须是自己的选择，基于对自我的了解。
And as a yoga teacher, I am interested in guiding people to see that and to make that choice for themselves.
作为瑜伽老师，我更愿意引领他们去发现他们可以自己去做选择。
Sometimes you do this not by saying anything but just by your actions, the way you are.
有时身教胜于言传。
And people will see things that they respect or do not respect in different people.
人们经常会因为一些事对不同的人表示尊敬或是不尊敬。
Subconsciously when we see positive things in people we will think "I would like to try and be like that".
潜意识里，当我们看到正能量的事情，我会说，我喜欢这个我要试一下。
And maybe we will see negative things in people we will think "I should try not to do like that person".
有时我们看到负能量的人，我们会想我才不要像他一样。
I think this the way of teaching. A good teacher doesn't have to say a word which is useful in China if you don't speak in Chinese. (LOL)
我想这这也是一种教学方法。一个好的老师不用说一个词，学生也能明白。这在中国非常有用，因为我不会说中文。
冥想：与内在的联结
Q: Compare to other kind of yoga practice, it seems meditation does not have standard steps. Is that true?
问：与其他的瑜伽习练相比，冥想好像没有固定的标准和晋级。是这样吗？
A: Really there is standard step but it is actually different from each person. And it will take different time for every person.
答：其实是有标准的，不过对于每个人是不同的。这样用的时间也是不同的。
Like none of you are the same. You all have different experiences and come to meditation class for different reasons and purposes.
没有人是相同的。每个人因不同的原因和目的会有不同的冥想体验。
Some people could understand only with 2 classes and some people come to for 102 classes and then they would understand.
有些人2节课能明白，有些人需要用102节课。
So there is some steps but it's not useful to compare yourself to others and to say "Oh, I wish I was like this person".
是会有一些方法，但是这不是用于你和别人比较，或是说，我愿意像某人一样。
It's not about anyone else. The whole thing is your journey to come to understand.
这与其他人无关。这是你自己的发现之旅。
Because for you to understand, you must learn many things about yourself.
你需要学习更多关于你的事情，才能自我发现。
Yoga is all about you coming to know who you are and all your stuff like your personality, your feelings, your likes, your dislikes etc.
瑜伽让你可以自我认知，如你的性格，你的感觉，你的喜欢，你所厌恶的等等这些。
Some of these come from your past life, some of these genetically come from your parents, some of these come from where you brought up.
一些来自你过去的生活，一些来自父母的基因，一些来自你成长的地方。
So everyone is different.
所以每一个人都是不同的。
We're given these things and we have these things for a reason.
我们拥有这些是有原因的。
And I think it's about us coming to makes sense of all in a different way.
要知道我们都是不同，要扬长避短。
So yes, there are steps and I very believe there must be some sort of method to give the students to do when they begin in the meditation.
所以是的，我相信当学生开始冥想时是可以有方法给到他们的。
Because if you just sit and close your eyes, you may fall asleep or have a daydream or have your mind drift away. And this is no more meditation.
因为如果当年闭上眼睛，你可能会睡觉、做白日梦，或是四处神游。这些都不是冥想。
Meditation is scientific with purpose and direction.
冥想是有科学的目的和方向的。
For example, if you go to a Buddhism temple, they will all be sitting there and they will sit there for years. They are very believing what they are doing.
例如，如果你去佛教的寺庙，那里会有很多人坐在那里，而且一坐多年。他们相信自己在做什么。
But when we have people that come in, meditation is only 90 minutes of their week. It's only a little grain of their life.
但是我们只是每周过来一个半小时做冥想，这在我们人生中只是很短的片刻。
And then they go back out again into the real world of all the stress, worry, distraction and everything like that.
然后，他们会回到那个充满压力、担忧之类的现实世界。
So I've always tried to encourage to take these feelings that we've learnt in the class whether in the meditation class or asana class or yoga nidra into your daily life.
所以我一直鼓励大家带着课上的感觉回到你的日常生活中去，无论是冥想课、体式课还是休息术。
Take witness, as an example when you are walking down the street you can do the witness like "How am I walking? Am I walking slowly or quickly? What I am thinking about? Am I watching where I am going? Or am I thinking something so far away?".
带着觉知，举个例子，当你在路上行走时带着觉知。“我在怎样走路？我走得快慢？我在想什么？我在观察自己怎么走吗？还是我在走神？”
The whole purpose of yoga is to make our life better, to make us to be the best person that we can.
瑜伽的整个目的就是让你成为一个更好的人，过更好的生活。
It's not to lose weight or to get good body. This really is a very good example of how we are just so absorbed with our out appearance.
而不是减肥或是身材好。这是一个很好的例子说明我们是如何被自己的外表吸引。
We everybody wants to look good, have nice clothes, have nice hairdo, say the right things, be with the right people. All of these things are on the outside and all change.
每个人都想看着美丽，有漂亮衣服，好看的发型，言谈得体。所有这一切都是外在的，都是可以改变的。
There is only one thing that we have will not change, your heart, your spirit.
只有一件事不会改变，就是你的心，你的灵。
And that's the one thing that we need to connect with and we don't know how to connect with.
这是唯一我们需要联结的，现在我们还不知道如何联结。
To me, that's what yoga all about, getting people try to understand that they need to go inside to feel them on the inside.
对我而言，这就是瑜伽，让人们懂得如何与内在取得联结。
Q: When did you firstly get the connection with your spirit?
问：您第一次联结到灵魂是什么时候呢？
A: I think it was happening in that ashram. Ashram is a really powerful experience.
答：我想那发生在我们的修习营，那是非常有能量体验。
Because these hundreds people are all live there for the same purpose and reason.
因为那里聚集着上百个有着相同目的和原因的人生活在一起。
So it's like suddenly you get all these people around you that understand and they have already done this.
这就像身边所有人都理解这件事并已经这样做了。
They don't come and tell you to make the connection, they are just doing the stuff.
他们不需要告诉你如何联结，他们就是在做这件事。
But you can see these guys are different. It's like you have all these guys that help you with connection.
这些人是不同的，就好像你的联结获得了他们的帮助。
I think for me it's more like been in that atmosphere. And that's what led me to practice and got deeper until I came to understand and study.
我想这种氛围对我影响很大，引领我的习练不断深入，直到我明白并学会。
I can remember the first day I walked into the gate of that place as a builder, I could feel there was something different.
我还记得我第一次进入那里还是一位建筑师，我能感觉到有什么事不同了。
I felt good and I didn't understand why and I didn't really make a big deal about it.
我感觉很好，那时我还不知道我将要做一个真正的大决定。
But now I looked back I can consciously see that is different. I just didn't tune in to it same as I didn't really tune in to my heart.
现在回想起来那时就已不同，我当时只是未和自己的心一致。
I'd always believed that I have been brought up to believe being good, being kind.
我常常相信要变得更友善更好。
But it's really hard to do that, wasn't much fun when I was a young guy.
做到很难，又没有趣，尤其还在年轻的时候。
Like when I was in school I would see that some guy who was different getting bully all the time and I didn't agree with it and I would not do it. But I never had the strength to stand up for that person.
就像我在学校的时候看到有人欺负其他同学，我虽然不赞同他这样做，但我没有出来制止他。
Because I wanted to be like all the other people. So what I didn't agree with what they did to some other people in those days I didn't believe myself have that strength to go and say 'No, this is wrong.You shouldn't do this."
因为我想像所有人一样。我不去赞同如此做，我不相信自己有足够的力量站出来说，不，这样不对，你不能这么做。
But today, I can. I understand that what you do is who you are.
但是现在，我可以。我明白了这是我要做的事情。
You can do whatever you want on the outside. You can look in the mirror and pretend it is very nice or whatever.
在外在，我可以做任何改变。你可以照着镜子，把自己打扮的漂漂亮亮或是任何样子。
But when you lie down and your eyes are closed, you know who you really are.
但是当你躺下闭上双眼，你知道真正的自我。
And I think there are many people don't have happiness or contentment because they are not happy with who they are.
我想现在很多人都觉得不幸福不满足，因为他们不喜欢现在的自己。
But they don't know how to change or what to change.
但是他们不知道如何改变，或是怎么改变。
They haven't found a way. I think yoga is one of the ways.
他们没有找到方法，我想瑜伽可能是个出路。
We live in a consumer society. People thought the more things they could have, the more successful they are.
我们现在在一个消费社会，人们想买更多的东西，想拥有更多的成功。
I would be happy if someone give me a brand-new Ducati motorcycle but I won't be happy for a long time.
如果有人给我一辆崭新的Ducati摩托车我会很开心，但是这个开心不会维持太久。
The cycle of everything: beginning/birth, duration/life, end/death. Nothing can pass this.
这就像一个循环：开始/出生，持续/生活，结束/死亡。没有一件事能逃脱。
You must come to understand that nothing is lasting except your own spirit.
你必须明白，除了灵魂没有什么能永存。
Now I can understand this is the thing that is important to connect with.
所以我明白，没有什么比能与此联结更加重要的了。
Q：What do you feel in mediation?
问：那你在冥想中是什么感受？
A: I think in the beginning, meditation is just like a time of peacefulness and stillness.
我想在开始的时候，冥想会让你感觉平静和平和。
Meditation is not necessarily words of light in a fantastic journey and great revelation.
冥想不一定是一个奇妙的旅程或是一个伟大的启示。
Meditation is really just about you connecting with your inner self.
冥想是你真实的与内在进行联结。
So what you will experience in meditation is what you get inside yourself.
所以，什么样的内在决定了你有什么样的冥想体验。
And quite often when you begin meditation, there's a lot of bad and uncomfortable stuff in there.
当你一开始冥想的时候，会有很多不好或是不舒服的事情。
You are going to see all of these stuff and be confront with them.
你会看到并面对所有这些。
In our conscious life, our mind will see these stuff and it will choose to not face that.
在意识层面，我们的大脑看到了他们并选择了忽视。
So we will keep suppressing all of these things and not release them or let them come out because we just don't want to deal with them.
所以我们一直压抑着这些事情，不去释放他们，因为我们不愿意去处理这些事情。
And in meditation when you are being the witness, you've overcome that part of you that tries to suppress and push down.
在冥想中当你成为旁观者，你已经越过那个压制的部分。
The whole idea is to see and watch whatever it is and not reacting to it.
你整个的意图就是观察它，而不是做出回应。
Because if you react to it, you will push it away. It can be quite difficult in the beginning.
因为你一旦回应，就把它推的更远。在刚开始的时候，这是很难做到的。
But I think once you understand this is part of the procession, you will accept that.
我相信一旦明白了这些，你就会接受。
For me I think meditation brings me peacefulness and stillness.
于我而言，冥想带给我平静和安宁。
It stops all of those distractions and all the stuff that keep coming at me.
它让我远离那些使我分心的事情。
It's a way for me to recharge myself, to give me energy and make me stronger again.
这个方法改变了我，给我力量，让我变得更加强壮。
It connects me with who I am inside myself, not this me on the outside.
这让我联结我的内在，而不是散乱在外。
I think that what Samadhi is. Samadhi is you living with that part of yourself that who you really truly are.
我想这就是三摩地，三摩地就在你的真我里。
Without any expectations, without any other needs. Once you find that, you are content.
没有任何期望，没有任何需求，一旦你找到，你就是富足的。
Because that's what you were before you came here. I think I just have the feeling of I'm home. You know when you come home, you sit down in your chair, it doesn't matter whether it's comfortable or dirty or clean, you are content, you are where you belong.
因为你就是来源于此处，就像回家的感觉一样。想象一下回家的感觉，你舒服的坐在椅子上，也不管它干不干净，你很满足，你属于那里。
To me that's what meditation does. It takes to me who I really I am.
这就是冥想带给我的，带我走向真我。
Since I start to live in this way, I do actually live my life like this not to just do it for 60 minutes in the meditation session.
自从我开始如此生活，我确实一直如此，而不是在60分钟的冥想课上。
Q: What's the benefits of meditation for our daily life?
问：冥想能给你的日常生活带来哪些好处呢？
A: Meditation can have many benefits. It can be calming, relaxing. It can release stress and worry. It can reduce blood pressure and heart rate.
冥想有很多好处，它能带来平静和轻松，缓解压力和紧张，减低血压和心率。
So it can bring us health automatically. It can bring us clarity and peacefulness.
它能带来健康，带给我们轻松和平和。
I think the benefits of meditation would be related to what problems you have in your actual life.
我想冥想有助于解决现实生活中的问题。
Some people are already calm and relaxed and they don't worry. So that's not necessarily going to be benefits for them.
有些人本来就很轻松平静，没有焦虑。所以他们不需要这些好处。
But I think it can have positive influence on your life in many different ways.
但我认为它对你的生活有很多积极的影响。
It also teaches you about yourself. It teaches you things like how to watch yourself, how to treat other people.
这是关于自我的学习，它教会你如何观察自己，如何对待别人。
So you get to come to know who you are and see what are the positive and negative things in your life.
所以你了解自己，并能看到生活中积极与消极的事情。
Because many people would do bad or wrong things without even realizing. No one really think that they are bad person.
很多人做了很多坏事和错事，他们根本都没有意识到。没人觉得他们真的是坏人。
I think it's very useful to be able to see who you really are and how you really are. And especially how do I treat myself and how do I treat other people.
我想这十分有益于觉察自己是谁，你真正该做什么。尤其重要的是如何对待自己与他人。
Namaste.
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译 | 冥想的益处 Benefit of Meditation
